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Saenger
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Strange Credits for valid WU

I don't know how to link to a WU in this project, I hope this works:
HFCC_t1_01839301_TrkB_0002

I crunched it in quite normal time, it got validated, I claimed my usual credits, I got some granted, only this time they were ridiculously far away from what's to be expected.

Just in case the linking doesn't work:
Project Name: Help Fight Childhood Cancer
Created: 22.08.09
Name: HFCC_t1_01839301_TrkB_0002
Minimum Quorum: 1
Replication: 1


Result Name App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
HFCC_ t1_ 01839301_ TrkB_ 0002_ 0-- 610 Valid 24.08.09 18:12:47 25.08.09 11:31:23 2.69 66.1 / 3.9


I usually get about the credits as claimed, +/- some wee percent. What went so much wrong here?
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Please click on the result name and post the quorum detail (e.g. interest in the wingman credit). Also click in that view on both the valid links to compare the result logs. Hopefully you see something there of difference... a restart or something.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Please click on the result name and post the quorum detail (e.g. interest in the wingman credit). Also click in that view on both the valid links to compare the result logs. Hopefully you see something there of difference... a restart or something.

As you can see in the Quorum, there was no wingman.
There was as well no restart of my computer, it's usually running 24/7, with only a few restarts per month.

The stderr is as follows:
Result Name: HFCC_ t1_ 01839301_ TrkB_ 0002_ 0--
<core_client_version>6.4.5</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
INFO:[04:05:30] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[04:05:40] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 0)
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2626
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2758
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2896
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3041
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3194
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3354
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3522
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3699
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3885
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4080
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4285
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4726
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4963
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5212
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5473
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5747
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6035
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6654
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6987
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7704
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8090
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8495
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8920
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9367
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9836
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 10328
Updating Best Energy for WU: 0.00
Finished Docking number 0
Updating Best Energy for WU: -8.58
Finished Docking number 1
Finished Docking number 2
Finished Docking number 3
Finished Docking number 4
Finished Docking number 5
Finished Docking number 6
Finished Docking number 7
Finished Docking number 8
Finished Docking number 9
Finished Docking number 10
Finished Docking number 11
Finished Docking number 12
Finished Docking number 13
Finished Docking number 14
Updating Best Energy for WU: -9.06
Finished Docking number 15
Finished Docking number 16
Finished Docking number 17
Finished Docking number 18
Finished Docking number 19
Finished Docking number 20
Finished Docking number 21
Finished Docking number 22
Finished Docking number 23
Finished Docking number 24
Finished Docking number 25
Finished Docking number 26
Finished Docking number 27
Finished Docking number 28

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

INFO:[09:29:00] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[09:29:19] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 27000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 29)
Finished Docking number 0

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
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Edith askes:
How do I link to this?
This information is in no way any secret, it's usually linkable in every BOINC project, it's essentially in such circumstances to do so, to compare with others, to get some pattern.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

I have no comparative log on hand for a completed HFCC job, but the beginning section and end section look odd... the end part suggests a start is attempted of docking 29 and then it departs. Maybe an other member can chip in if logs are normally looking like that or you have another valid result on hand to see how things are recorded in there.

We have had rare cases reported of jobs restarting towards the end and only the last attempt counting, but here not even that. Not even sure this has been happening for HFCC.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

I have no comparative log on hand for a completed HFCC job, but the beginning section and end section look odd... the end part suggests a start is attempted of docking 29 and then it departs. Maybe an other member can chip in if logs are normally looking like that or you have another valid result on hand to see how things are recorded in there.

We have had rare cases reported of jobs restarting towards the end and only the last attempt counting, but here not even that. Not even sure this has been happening for HFCC.

Here's one other, with normal credits:
<core_client_version>6.4.5</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
INFO:[16:29:26] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[16:29:36] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 0)
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2626
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2758
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2896
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3041
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3194
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3354
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3522
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3699
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3885
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4080
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4285
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4726
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4963
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5212
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5473
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5747
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6035
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6654
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6987
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7704
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8090
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8495
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8920
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9367
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9836
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 10328
Updating Best Energy for WU: 0.00
Finished Docking number 0
Finished Docking number 1
Finished Docking number 2
Finished Docking number 3
Finished Docking number 4
Finished Docking number 5
Finished Docking number 6
Finished Docking number 7
Finished Docking number 8
Finished Docking number 9
Finished Docking number 10
Finished Docking number 11
Finished Docking number 12
Finished Docking number 13
Finished Docking number 14
Finished Docking number 15
Finished Docking number 16
Finished Docking number 17
Updating Best Energy for WU: -9.02
Finished Docking number 18
Finished Docking number 19
Finished Docking number 20
Finished Docking number 21
Finished Docking number 22
Finished Docking number 23
Finished Docking number 24
Finished Docking number 25
Finished Docking number 26

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

INFO:[22:33:52] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[22:34:12] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 27000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 27)
Finished Docking number 0

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
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This is the WU data:
Project Name: Help Fight Childhood Cancer
Created: 22.08.09
Name: HFCC_t1_01830634_TrkB_0000
Minimum Quorum: 1
Replication: 1


Result Name App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
HFCC_ t1_ 01830634_ TrkB_ 0000_ 0-- 610 Valid 24.08.09 14:28:45 25.08.09 11:31:23 3.00 73.6 / 71.9


Edit:
There has to be a way to simply link to this information, without flooding the board with this long quotes and codes. How can I do this?
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Here is a similar HFCC Result Log for a slower computer that was granted 79.6 BOINC credits.
Result Log

Result Name: HFCC_ t1_ 01819812_ TrkB_ 0001_ 0--
<core_client_version>5.10.45</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Failed to get VersionInfo size: 1812
INFO:[08:01:44] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[08:02:27] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 0)
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2626
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2758
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2896
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3041
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3194
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3354
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3522
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3699
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 3885
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4080
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4285
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4726
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 4963
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5212
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5473
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 5747
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6035
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6654
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6987
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7337
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 7704
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8090
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8495
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 8920
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9367
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 9836
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 10328
Updating Best Energy for WU: 0.00
Finished Docking number 0
Updating Best Energy for WU: -8.06
Finished Docking number 1
Finished Docking number 2
Updating Best Energy for WU: -8.86
Finished Docking number 3
Updating Best Energy for WU: -9.06
Finished Docking number 4
Updating Best Energy for WU: -9.29
Finished Docking number 5
Finished Docking number 6
Finished Docking number 7
Finished Docking number 8
Finished Docking number 9
Finished Docking number 10
Finished Docking number 11
Finished Docking number 12
Finished Docking number 13
Finished Docking number 14
Finished Docking number 15
Finished Docking number 16
Finished Docking number 17

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

INFO:[17:48:29] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[17:49:42] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 27000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 18)
Finished Docking number 0

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

I have no comparative log on hand for a completed HFCC job, but the beginning section and end section look odd... the end part suggests a start is attempted of docking 29 and then it departs. Maybe an other member can chip in if logs are normally looking like that or you have another valid result on hand to see how things are recorded in there.

We have had rare cases reported of jobs restarting towards the end and only the last attempt counting, but here not even that. Not even sure this has been happening for HFCC.

I don't think there is anything unusual in that log (if you compare it with the normal ones).

And, for the numbering of the dockings: it starts from "Docking number 0" (the 1st one), so "Docking number 28" is the 29th one, and so "dockings already completed: 29" is correct.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

You're of course right. If a tech has spare time, maybe the grand analyzer can be thrown at it as to what may have happened. We would not want results, zero redundant, self validate and miss out any dockings from the library.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Any news from the techies?

The WU is not any longer in my account, and I really don't care about those credits, I just want to be sure that what went wrong will not do so in the future.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

No word yet. That said it's such a rarely reported occurrence that it will not have risen above the 'to do horizon'.

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Edith asks:
How do I link to this?
This information is in no way any secret, it's usually linkable in every BOINC project, it's essentially in such circumstances to do so, to compare with others, to get some pattern.


Until recently it was in fact secret as included the device and owner name and that something not shared at WCG. You can open a result log, then post the link here which makes it visible only to signed in members, but as you noticed the result disappears about 4 days after validation. That's why if you go into the quorum detail (click on WU name), you now can see all result logs (but as you noted, most HFCC is zero redundancy, unless there is an extra copy for repair or verification) and compare yourself to speed the fault finding process.

Copy / Paste the log and snipping it for endless repeating portions is fine and provides permanent viewing before the results plus logs get removed from live viewing.
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